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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: UnderGrounder, my confirmd haplogroup is R-F1758
« Last post by sayed1 on September 16, 2014, 11:50:30 PM »
thank you for the info.

Abdullah
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: R2 samples at www.yhrd.org
« Last post by Gilllham on September 16, 2014, 11:16:45 PM »
Very interesting I'll look forward to your next post here.
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Welcome Board / Re: R2 Y-DNA from Courland/Latvia
« Last post by Gilllham on September 16, 2014, 11:16:39 PM »
The following post is interesting too.
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: UnderGrounder, my confirmd haplogroup is R-F1758
« Last post by seferhabahir on September 05, 2014, 04:51:08 PM »
Hello UnderGrounder, my confirmd haplogroup is R-F1758. my kit is M9344 from FTDNA.

what is my tribe? and am I arab or not?

Abdullah

UnderGrounder can add things here about tribes, but R-F1758 appears to be an old SNP. It definitely predates Islam and possibly predates Judaism and may have first occurred 3,000 years ago). It has been found in Arabs and also in Jews with ancestral origins in Persia/Iran.
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / UnderGrounder, my confirmd haplogroup is R-F1758
« Last post by sayed1 on September 03, 2014, 04:09:15 PM »
Hello UnderGrounder, my confirmd haplogroup is R-F1758. my kit is M9344 from FTDNA.

what is my tribe? and am I arab or not?

Abdullah
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: i'm R2a1a, please need help?
« Last post by sayed1 on August 25, 2014, 10:40:21 PM »
please I need an answer? am I from al Hassan bin Ali Allah satisfied with them ( al Hassan is the grand son of prophet Mohammad peace be upon him)?
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: i'm R2a1a, please need help?
« Last post by sayed1 on August 24, 2014, 03:44:38 AM »
my confirmed Haplogroup is R-F1758.
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: i'm R2a1a, please need help?
« Last post by seferhabahir on August 20, 2014, 01:26:23 AM »
what does cluster mean?

I, and others, usually use the phrase "Y-DNA cluster" to mean a group of test results (usually found within a FTDNA project) that are identifiable as being genetically related because of observable similarities in some of their STR markers. The members of these clusters presumably descend from the same common ancestor (hence the term TMRCA - time to most recent common ancestor). One of the ways to  know that members of a cluster actually do descend from a common ancestor is to identify certain SNPs that they all have in common through inheriting paternal Y-DNA mutations, in addition to the similarities in their STR markers.
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: i'm R2a1a, please need help?
« Last post by sayed1 on August 18, 2014, 05:54:54 AM »
what does cluster mean?
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Haplogroup R2 (Y-DNA) / Re: i'm R2a1a, please need help?
« Last post by seferhabahir on August 17, 2014, 06:29:03 PM »
UnderGrounder, I had the SNP's F1092+ and F1758+ L295- and L294- what does that mean?

Abdullah

From a haplogroup perspective, this means that SNPs F1092, F1159, and F3604 are very old incorporating several Middle Eastern clusters as well as an apparent Slovakian cluster (kit B1600 and likely also kit 177636) and that F1758 is downstream from these three SNPs (because we know that B1600 is F1758- based on Geno 2.0 results). SNPs that accurately differentiate the various F1758+ Middle Eastern clusters have yet to be identified. One of them might be F2791, but that is just conjecture as it was not tested on the Geno 2.0 chip.

The various observed clusters under F1758 appear to have diverged up to several thousand years ago, based on the GD differences. In particular, the GD between kit M9344 and N112631 at 111 markers is 36 (very large). There is now likely enough data to be able to place F1092/F1159/F3604 on the ISOGG tree as R2a4 and F1758 underneath it as R2a4a. Note these are different names than the ones in the FTDNA nomenclature (they are using R2a2 for F1092 and R2a2a for F1758).
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