Thanks VV for weighing in. I wish I could say that money was no object but with a baby due this month and a wife and child to support already alas I am not bale to make that investment.

You are in good hands with DMXX and Undergrounder as experts on R2, which I am not.

I do have a lot of experience with SNP placement though, and will say that it is important for SOMEONE to be on the bleeding edge of SNP testing.  Until the first dozen or so people order all these new SNPs (L261, L268, etc.) neither independent researchers nor the labs will know how useful they are.

My advice is that it is better if a group of very diverse haplotypes order every new SNP, until a clear pattern emerges.  Your your subclade of R2a is old enough, you could be closer to someone negative for your SNPs than to someone else who is positive.  In other words, someone's got to bite the bullet and order them first. 

If you can afford it, and you are on this forum, my opinion is that you might consider giving it a shot.  Just know that your chance of getting a positive SNP result is small, but that the knowledge of who is negative is valuable scientific knowledge too.

VV

Need a better proof that R2 is an "Indian" haplogroup.

No, though this is a complex issue as there is more than one ancient cluster among living Kohanim, the majority, accepted as the "true" lineage, fall within J1

I have just contacted all 36 confirmed (and likely) R2's from ySearch that listed a country of origin, weren't already in our project and tested with FTDNA. Below are the surnames and countries per region.

I am confident most of these users aren't already involved, but it wouldn't surprise me if one or two are already involved in the project with different paternal surnames listed.

As the list reveals, there is a nice spread across Eurasia and beyond. Even a handful of these R2's joining will prove insightful for us.

I'll update the list in real-time.

New World (Americas, Colonial nations)
Portsmouth   Canada
Jimenez   Pinal del Rio, Cuba     No longer using listed email
Rooza   South Africa

West Europe
Desvignes   loin, France
Dique   France
Good   Paisley, Scotland
Perkins   England

East Europe
Abraskin   Hadiach, Poltava, Ukraine
Lamden   Zagare, Lithuania
Paull   Ukraine

South Europe
Donofrio   San Potito Ultra, Italy

Near-East
Alyounes   Deirezzor, Syrian Arab Republic
Alyaseen   Bajila, Saudi Arabia
Toker   Turkey

(South-)Central Asia
Karlal   Pakistan
Khanzada   Afghanistan
Mughal   Abootabad, Pakistan
serik   Kazakhstan
tore-5    Kazakhstan

Indian Subcontinent
Chandra   Chennai, India
Desai   India
Deshmukh   India
Krishnamsetty   Vijayawada, India
Malayil   Alleppy, India
Mammen Purackal   India
Mattai   India
Mishra   Barisal, India
Mistry   chanasma, India
Muthumani   India
Narayanswami   India
Reid   Kolkata, India
Shetty   Mangalore, India     No longer using listed email
SINGH   India     No longer using listed email
Tiwari   Jaipur, India

Thanks for your effort to look into this DMXX, it does seem that they mean the Palestinian (Arab speaking) population.

the tempo in which our haplogroup gains progress is truly dizzying...

If it takes a whole year to adjust an actually just declarative modification.....wtf....Im seriously afraid we will all be dead before some really basic new perceptions will be attained one day....its frustrating.

Looks like we'll be waiting another year to truly be R2a's, ladies and gentlemen:

Y-DNA Haplogroup 2010 Tree
Y-DNA 2010 SNP list

Note: The SNP list appears to be incomplete/outdated as J-P58 is still listed as J1e. However, I have been told this will be corrected soon.

Summary of Changes

- Haplogroup E now has two new SNP's; E1a3-L133 and E1a4-L94.
- Haplogroup G1a has one new downstream subclade (G2a1-L201-3).
- A new haplogroup I subclade (I2a3-L233) and I2a2 is now determined by an additional SNP (L178).
- Haplogroup J1 has been given an overhaul with no less than 7 new SNP's introduced.
- No changes to haplogroup J2 nomenclature.
- Paragroups M, NOP and S have been combined to MNOPS, defined by M526.
- Haplogroup Q's branch has been modified slightly and 5 new SNP's are present.
- Haplogroup R1b1a-V88 and its' downstream derivatives have been shown.
- R1a-M420, the subclade upstream of R1a1-SRY1532.2, is now included.
- R1a1a7-M458, the largely East European subclade downstream of R1a1a-M17 found by Underhill et al., is now R1a1a1g.
- No new R2 nomenclature is present despite the recent announcement of R2*-M479, which is upstream of (what is now) R2a-M124.
- Haplogroup T has received some additional clarity. It is no longer confined to three subclades (T1-T3); the former T2-P77 now has two upstream markers (T2-L162 and T2a-L208), meaning the P77 marker is now T2a1.
- No changes tohaplogroup A-D, F, H, L-P, S nomenclature.

Excellent idea and well-spotted, Birko - Thank you for bringing this user to our attention.

I have created a separate thread for us to follow this new "ySearch run". Will get round to creating a draft message for sending once this episode of Mad Men is over.

Should any of our users find some other R2's, be it suspected or confirmed, please post their details here and I'll send the same draft message out.

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While you're at it, make sure to contact this person on Y-Search:

User ID: NQZQU
Origin: Deirezzor, Syrian Arab Republic

This person has his haplogroup as unknown, but on a 67-marker comparison it's very obvious that's he's an R2a, his closest matches are all R2's and his top matches are the following:

Bailey, Scotland, 25 GD
Daghoughi, Iran, 27 GD
Sreshtin, India, 29 GD
nimmagadda, India, 29 GD

In other words he has no close matches and likely forms his own middle eastern cluster, I would think he falls in the Anatolian branch since his town is pretty much north Mesopotamia and is located on the Euphrates river.