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seferhabahir

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Another New Member
« on: January 07, 2013, 08:04:19 PM »
Hello,

I decided to join the forum this week because I am looking for a place to discuss R2 DNA and this seems to be the place for it. For the past two years I have mostly been investigating an Ashkenazi Jewish Cluster in R1b-L21 (now apparently under R-DF13, a new SNP under L21). My Y-DNA is R1b-L583, under R1b-DF13, under R1b-L21. There are only three people known to have L583, and we appear to be a Levite subset of a cluster of Eastern European Ashkenazim under a vast sea of various L21 Celtic types.

I am only just learning about R2a because I convinced a third cousin to do the Geno 2.0 test to learn the Y-DNA of one of my great-great-grandfathers and he came back as R2a, in the process testing positive for 29 new F-series R2 SNPs (these from a study of Asians at Fudan University in Shanghai) and a handful of PF-series R2 SNPs (these from a study of men in Sardinia). I'm very interested in finding out if these can help differentiate one or more new subclades under R2a-M124.

R2 seems to be a much less explored world than R1b and R1a (or for that matter J2, the Y-DNA of my maternal grandfather). I'm excited about an opportunity to understand a new (to me) Y-DNA landscape not necessarily populated by hordes of Americans and British Isles types trying to find out what ancient Celtic clan or king they may or may not descend from. While I like my periodic wee dram of scotch and glass of Guinness as much as the next person, I am looking forward to learning more about R2 and Central Asian origins.
My Y-DNA: R1b-L21 (DF13+ Z251+ S11556+ S9294+ L583+)
My mtDNA: J1c7a
My Father's Father's Mother's Father's Y-DNA: R2a (F1092+ F1159+ F1758+ F2791+ F3604+)
Avatar: My Paternal Great-Grandfather Nison Ben Moshe HaLevi (R1b-L21 ancestor)

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Re: Another New Member
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 10:48:41 AM »

Welcome aboard!!! I hope the board becomes active again and we learn more about R2a.

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Re: Another New Member
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 12:15:52 PM »
I hope the board becomes active again and we learn more about R2a.

So do I, since I decided to go ahead and test my cousin's Y-DNA STR markers to compare against others in the R2 project. It would be nice to have someone to talk with when I get the results back. My guess is he will come back matching the larger Eastern European group (I guess this is/was Jewish Group A), since he is negative for the Breuer group L288 SNP.
My Y-DNA: R1b-L21 (DF13+ Z251+ S11556+ S9294+ L583+)
My mtDNA: J1c7a
My Father's Father's Mother's Father's Y-DNA: R2a (F1092+ F1159+ F1758+ F2791+ F3604+)
Avatar: My Paternal Great-Grandfather Nison Ben Moshe HaLevi (R1b-L21 ancestor)

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Re: Another New Member
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 04:47:44 PM »
I hope the board becomes active again and we learn more about R2a.

So do I, since I decided to go ahead and test my cousin's Y-DNA STR markers to compare against others in the R2 project. It would be nice to have someone to talk with when I get the results back. My guess is he will come back matching the larger Eastern European group (I guess this is/was Jewish Group A), since he is negative for the Breuer group L288 SNP.

He will most likely match the Eastern European Jewish branch, which actually has a connection to the Iranian/Iraqi Jews as well if you compare some of the STR values. Ultimately I think that's where the European R2a comes from (Babylonian/Persian Jewry). Prior to that? Who knows.

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Re: Another New Member
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 01:41:39 PM »
Welcome Sefer Habahir!
YDNA: R2a2a~R-F1092 (R-F1159, R-F1758).
Jewish, Kashan Iran, Mizrahi
MtDNA: Non-Jewish J1C2, Descendant of Charlemagne

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Re: Another New Member
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2013, 05:13:11 PM »
... I decided to go ahead and test my cousin's Y-DNA STR markers to compare against others in the R2 project. It would be nice to have someone to talk with when I get the results back. My guess is he will come back matching the larger Eastern European group, ... since he is negative for the Breuer group L288 SNP.

The first 12 STR markers are back from FTDNA. The rest of the 111 are coming later. My cousin is a 12 STR exact match for

N32154    Bender        R2    14    23    14    10    13-19    12    12    11    14    10    29   
N65466    Vasiliev       R2    14    23    14    10    13-19    12    12    11    14    10    29

This makes him part of the large Eastern Europe R2 group. Somewhat interesting that he is DYS385 13-19 and not 13-20 that the majority in this group have.

This is also an exact 12-12 match with Eshaghpo (hey, we are related  :) ).
« Last Edit: February 16, 2013, 05:19:32 PM by seferhabahir »
My Y-DNA: R1b-L21 (DF13+ Z251+ S11556+ S9294+ L583+)
My mtDNA: J1c7a
My Father's Father's Mother's Father's Y-DNA: R2a (F1092+ F1159+ F1758+ F2791+ F3604+)
Avatar: My Paternal Great-Grandfather Nison Ben Moshe HaLevi (R1b-L21 ancestor)

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Re: Another New Member
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2013, 08:11:52 AM »
Similar matter has already been discussed at yahoo answers. I can post the link if needed

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Re: Another New Member
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2013, 01:34:14 PM »
Similar matter has already been discussed at yahoo answers. I can post the link if needed

Please do CamKrist.
YDNA: R2a2a~R-F1092 (R-F1159, R-F1758).
Jewish, Kashan Iran, Mizrahi
MtDNA: Non-Jewish J1C2, Descendant of Charlemagne